The Great CD vs Vinyl debate

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Palais81 wrote:I listen using 3 methods all going through an old NAD amp and old Wharfedale speakers


Phone using Apple Music. It's good to listen to stuff that you don't want to shell out your hard earned dosh. Also, putting it on to shuffle is a bit like having a really good radio station.

CDs. Better sound than the phone, louder and clearer. Just always hated those plastic cases. Shite! Plus the sleeve notes are tiny for my poor old eyes.

Vinyl. The best sound on the NAD. Very loud and energetic sound. But what makes vinyl best is that it forces me to listen to the whole side because I can't be bothered to get up and lift the needle! Just like the old days, thereby giving the album a chance to be listened to thoroughly.

Call me old skool!
Would you mind sharing what model NAD amp you have?

When I was about 16 I had a NAD3020, which I was so proud of, those were the days!
Also what turntable do you use ?
I agree with your vinyl promoting album listening end to end..

I never did own a pair of wharfedales but remember checking them out in hi-fi shops.. which ones do you have?
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Yes it is the 3020 NAD. The turntable is just an Ion which my wife bought for me to transfer the vinyl to MP3 but I gave up doing that. It does play well just as a record deck. The speakers are Delta 30s. I had the choice of those are Diamonds at the time but opted for the Deltas to provide more bass (well.i am a Stranglers fan!). They are on tiled dining kitchen floor and they produce a whopping sound. All budget stuff but I am not in a hurry to change.
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On this subject I’m curious do people prefer brand new vinyl or used/second hand?


I’m quite torn on the issue. I’ve been pretty disappointed with a few new pressings, to some extent you know what you’re getting with second hand vinyl, so long as you can check it out first. I also think older pressings tend to have better quality control than some of the rubbish available now at extortionate prices.

The over inflated price of some second hand vinyl often irritates me though. Some people have more money than sense from what I’ve seen. Buying off discogs can be really hit or miss too, the very few purchases I have made, I found 50% of the time the great condition of a record to be over stated.

A local record dealer had some Japanese stranglers pressings, but at 50 quid a pop for a seven inch, not a chance, which might lead to another topic…
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Jake wrote: 18 Nov 2021, 20:08 On this subject I’m curious do people prefer brand new vinyl or used/second hand?


I’m quite torn on the issue. I’ve been pretty disappointed with a few new pressings, to some extent you know what you’re getting with second hand vinyl, so long as you can check it out first. I also think older pressings tend to have better quality control than some of the rubbish available now at extortionate prices.

The over inflated price of some second hand vinyl often irritates me though. Some people have more money than sense from what I’ve seen. Buying off discogs can be really hit or miss too, the very few purchases I have made, I found 50% of the time the great condition of a record to be over stated.

A local record dealer had some Japanese stranglers pressings, but at 50 quid a pop for a seven inch, not a chance, which might lead to another topic…
New vinyl is hit and miss... i use this for second hand:

https://eil.com/index.asp
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Dom P wrote: 18 Nov 2021, 23:24
New vinyl is hit and miss... i use this for second hand:

https://eil.com/index.asp
Nice one Dom, out of curiosity what have been the better and worse of more modern vinyl pressings you’ve come across?
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Jake wrote: 19 Nov 2021, 00:19
Dom P wrote: 18 Nov 2021, 23:24
New vinyl is hit and miss... i use this for second hand:

https://eil.com/index.asp
Nice one Dom, out of curiosity what have been the better and worse of more modern vinyl pressings you’ve come across?
I find that vinyl that is current, ie, new albums, are fine, as good as ever... it's the re-issues and remasters etc that can be awful. I think this is mainly down to the remastering, especially when they claim to be going back to the original source blah ... two examples of utter shite are re-issues of the Selecter's Too Much Pressure and Soundgarden Superunkown. Just dreadul inferior muddy sound.
A 180g reissue of Nevermind is shit too (not heard the latest one)...
I've never had problems with quality (ie warped or scratched on delivery) .... it's more whether the mix has been properly adjusted for the medium.
I think Dark Matters vinyl has a very different, and superior less compressed (hot) mix than the digital versions, so thumbs up to that.
Recent Style Council three-LP set is great as well. That was done at Abbey Road so they knew what they were doing.
So I try to avoid these heavyweight re-issues... orginal floppy 100g 80s vinyl always sounds better!!
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Dom P wrote: 19 Nov 2021, 14:21

I find that vinyl that is current, ie, new albums, are fine, as good as ever... it's the re-issues and remasters etc that can be awful. I think this is mainly down to the remastering, especially when they claim to be going back to the original source blah ... two examples of utter shite are re-issues of the Selecter's Too Much Pressure and Soundgarden Superunkown. Just dreadul inferior muddy sound.
A 180g reissue of Nevermind is shit too (not heard the latest one)...
I've never had problems with quality (ie warped or scratched on delivery) .... it's more whether the mix has been properly adjusted for the medium.
I think Dark Matters vinyl has a very different, and superior less compressed (hot) mix than the digital versions, so thumbs up to that.
Recent Style Council three-LP set is great as well. That was done at Abbey Road so they knew what they were doing.
So I try to avoid these heavyweight re-issues... orginal floppy 100g 80s vinyl always sounds better!!

Cheers Dom, I haven’t got a lot of remastered new vinyls. The Siouxsie and the Banshees JUJu I received factory sealed and new had marks and scratches all over it, but sounds like it might actually be a good remaster, The Rapture is not a good vinyl master, I am not hugely into that album anyway, but sounds really poorly mastered for vinyl, Join Hands, which is a bit of a hit and miss album, sounds very good. I have a couple of XTCs remastered vinyls and to my ears they sound great. But I seem to find one in ten new vinyl pressings has factory defects, no doubt due to the lack of pressing plants and high demand on such limited capacity
There was some discussion in the MSM regarding the current dire situation with getting new vinyl pressings, Adele and Ed Sheehan’s new albums have had a big impact on getting orders for other artists. Apparently even they had to submit the masters to the plant six months in advance, and if you are a smaller artist you can expect a lot longer to wait.
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