Punk in the 1970s - I'm a lazy student, but I need your help

[Alana]

Thank you!

[gazincumbria]

Hi
Here's a web site you may find usefull:it's basically a Chronological list of Punk events during 1977 it's http://members.tripod.com/19775/id46.htm

I can recommend Jon Savage's book,too. The Moral Panic theory springs to mind with relation to the style of reporting of the Tabloids of the time.

Good luck with your essay-I studied Sociology at Uni,too :)

Cheers

Gaz

[Alan A Hillier]

It was a dreadfull time Alana (or is that Lammy) full of hideous Hobbits wicked wearwolves and people walking around with funny clothes and even funnier hair. Just be glad that you wernt there Lammy (or is that Alana) .

In 1976 Sauron's (Bill Grundy) forces had laid siege to Minas Tirith, the capital of Gondor, in their efforts to eliminate the race of men (The Finchley Boys).

The once-great kingdom, watched over by a fading steward had never been in more desperately in need of its king.

Aragorn (J J Burnel) answered the call of his heritage and become what he was born to be? In no small measure, the fate of Middle-earth (Finchley) rested on his broad shoulders. And that was just 1976.Shitloads still to come.

1977 followed swiftly and brought an astonishing era to an astounding conclusion the epic journey of the men in black, hobbits, elves, dwarves, Finchley Boys and the rest of Middle-earth's creatures and cultures as they waged the ultimate fight for good against evil. It was hectic out there.

With the final battle joined and the legions of darkness gathering, Gandalf (Dave Grenfield) urgently tries to rally Gondor's broken army to action. He is aided by Rohan's King Theoden (Dave Vannin), who unites his warriors for history's biggest test.

Yet even with their courage and passionate loyalty, the forces of men--with Eowyn (Mrs Burnel) and Merry (John Lydon) hidden among them--are no match for the enemies swarming against Gondor.

Still, in the face of great losses, they charge forward into the battle of their lifetimes, tied together by their singular goal to keep Sauron (Bill Grundy) distracted and give the Ring Bearer a chance to complete his quest.

With the final battle joined and the legions of darkness gathering, Gandalf (Dave Greenfield) urgently tries to rally Gondor's broken army to action. He is aided by Rohan's King Theoden (Dave Vannin), who unites his warriors for history's biggest test.

Their hopes rest with Frodo (Jimmy Pursey), a tiny but determined hobbit making a perilous trip across treacherous enemy lands to cast the One Ring into the fires of Mount Doom.
The closer Frodo (Jim to his mates) gets to his final destination, the heavier his burden becomes and the more he must rely on Samwise Gamgee (Gay Billy Idol). Gollum (Bob(Give us the fucking money) Geldoff) -and the Ring itself-will test Frodo's (Jimbo) allegiances and, ultimately, his humanity.

This epic story concludes in 1978 and the relationships and rivalries between various punk bands were laid aside and it reveals how through courage, commitment and determination even the least of us can change the world.

So now you knw what really happened

Al

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[ThruBeingCool]

It was a dreadfull time Alana (or is that Lammy) full of hideous Hobbits wicked wearwolves and people walking around with funny clothes and even funnier hair. Just be glad that you wernt there Lammy (or is that Alana) .

In 1976 Sauron's (Bill Grundy) forces had laid siege to Minas Tirith, the capital of Gondor, in their efforts to eliminate the race of men (The Finchley Boys).

The once-great kingdom, watched over by a fading steward had never been in more desperately in need of its king.

Aragorn (J J Burnel) answered the call of his heritage and become what he was born to be? In no small measure, the fate of Middle-earth (Finchley) rested on his broad shoulders. And that was just 1976.Shitloads still to come.

1977 followed swiftly and brought an astonishing era to an astounding conclusion the epic journey of the men in black, hobbits, elves, dwarves, Finchley Boys and the rest of Middle-earth's creatures and cultures as they waged the ultimate fight for good against evil. It was hectic out there.

With the final battle joined and the legions of darkness gathering, Gandalf (Dave Grenfield) urgently tries to rally Gondor's broken army to action. He is aided by Rohan's King Theoden (Dave Vannin), who unites his warriors for history's biggest test.

Yet even with their courage and passionate loyalty, the forces of men--with Eowyn (Mrs Burnel) and Merry (John Lydon) hidden among them--are no match for the enemies swarming against Gondor.

Still, in the face of great losses, they charge forward into the battle of their lifetimes, tied together by their singular goal to keep Sauron (Bill Grundy) distracted and give the Ring Bearer a chance to complete his quest.

With the final battle joined and the legions of darkness gathering, Gandalf (Dave Greenfield) urgently tries to rally Gondor's broken army to action. He is aided by Rohan's King Theoden (Dave Vannin), who unites his warriors for history's biggest test.

Their hopes rest with Frodo (Jimmy Pursey), a tiny but determined hobbit making a perilous trip across treacherous enemy lands to cast the One Ring into the fires of Mount Doom.
The closer Frodo (Jim to his mates) gets to his final destination, the heavier his burden becomes and the more he must rely on Samwise Gamgee (Gay Billy Idol). Gollum (Bob(Give us the fucking money) Geldoff) -and the Ring itself-will test Frodo's (Jimbo) allegiances and, ultimately, his humanity.

This epic story concludes in 1978 and the relationships and rivalries between various punk bands were laid aside and it reveals how through courage, commitment and determination even the least of us can change the world.

So now you knw what really happened

Al

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Yeah, just how I remember it too! :notworthy:

[Organ Grinder]

For an idea of how punk manifested itself and and it's ethos I would recommend watching the movie 'Convoy' starring Kriss Kristoffersen. That movie will explain everything about the ethos of the punk rock movement better than any words could ever do. And that movie has fuck all to do with music either.

Watch it and see if you get what I'm trying to say. Oblique? Me? :D

[ThruBeingCool]

For an idea of how punk manifested itself and and it's ethos I would recommend watching the movie 'Convoy' starring Kriss Kristoffersen. That movie will explain everything about the ethos of the punk rock movement better than any words could ever do. And that movie has fuck all to do with music either.

Watch it and see if you get what I'm trying to say. Oblique? Me? :D

Actually, I think 'Grinder' hasa point here!

[Alan A Hillier]

But seriously folks....................

Alana

Various forces drove the punk movement back in those days. Initially it was all totally raw, instinctive and creative but ultimately it went the way of most things and became a commercial proposition and to be honest, I think that was totally inevitable and ironically, ensured it's survival. Different people with different agenda's pulled different strings and various stunts for different reasons. The idea that a Colloquial creation can be preserved in an urban microcosm is ridiculous and completely unrealistic. The notion that everything can remain 'pure' and unaffectd by the evils of commercialism is naive.

What must always be remembered is the fact that Joe geezer (That's me and you) creates 'all' this street based phenomenon and the 'market Traders' as I like to call them, move in with their well oiled commercial machinery when the first whiff of big money is detected. That, as a rule, is when the originators normally get bored and bow out to look for something new .

I suppose the Punk purists might say that the commercialisation of a youth movement, which was originally conceived and created by and for the entertainment of the proletariat essentially to strike at the foundations of their perception of the establishment, is dead in the water as soon as it embraces it. I always remember people talking about 'selling out' and the music papers were awash with articles about new and obscure hard-line punk bands slagging the commercialism that they believed had taken over their movement. The Pistols The Clash and The Stranglers, all, at one time or another had this allegation levelled against them; they were all hugely successful commercially and I suppose that it was inevitable that they would have to deal with that backlash. Funnily enough, the less successful their own band were the more fundamental they were in their hard line denounciation of the sucessfull bands. I am only assuming that they would have rejected a big fat record deal

The Stranglers were a real band, real musicians who were constantly gigging and writing great songs that reflected the times that we all lived in. The commercialisation, (if that is the correct term to describe a record deal) of original bands like the Stranglers simply gave them the opportunity to get down on vinyl the brilliant music that they had been playing relentlessly in the pubs and clubs up and down the length and breadth of our country for over a year. That is what always entirely legitimised them in my book. They were not created on the crest of a wave and although there was this general theme running through the whole Punk scene at that time which suggested that anyone should be able to buy an instrument, not be able to play it, find three or four more people and form a band that couldn't play or sing a note and imagine that they could entertain people to the point that they would be prepared to pay to see them, was naïve to say the least.

For me, the initial stages of the punk phenomenon will always define it.

In my opinion the reality of the early music and the early punk recordings and perhaps more importantly, the early live performances are a true reflection of its origins and it's birth.

That is why the Mk1 Stranglers stuff (For me at least) will always classify that period. Whatever you think of the Pistols and the Clash, there are not too many people who would argue that they, they’re image and they’re early music was not critical in the creation and the emergence of the whole genre.


Al

[raveninblack]

Jim, are you and James one and the same? This is all very confusing.

Rich.

Bare in mind that Jims' missus is a STUDE called Alana!!!!


:withstupid:

[Rich]

Jim, are you and James one and the same? This is all very confusing.

Rich.

Bare in mind that Jims' missus is a STUDE called Alana!!!!


:withstupid:

Thanks for clearing that up, RiB. I was confused for all of about 5 mins - it was the Jim and James thing - I thought it might have been his mum.

Rich.

[theraven1979]

Jim, are you and James one and the same? This is all very confusing.

Rich.

Bare in mind that Jims' missus is a STUDE called Alana!!!!


:withstupid:

Thanks for clearing that up, RiB. I was confused for all of about 5 mins - it was the Jim and James thing - I thought it might have been his mum.

Rich.[/color]

:D :D :upyoursmatey: :wtf?: :D


Jim

[raveninblack]

Well he's old enough to be HER DAD!:p

[theraven1979]

Ello little gurl!! :D

I must stress that she`s 21 before anyone gets the wrong idea!!

Jim