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"I woke up in the tour bus and booted up the computer, there in front of me "Thatcher Dead". I already had 11 e-mails asking me to comment on her. Even in death she can still ruin my day off" Billy Bragg yesterday.

Thatcher's death is nothing to celebrate, had her policies died with her then yes, although Liberal Democrat voting Billy Bragg is being rather naive here. Ordinary people without voices still have memories and have more "brain cells" than you give them credit for Jim will be rightly or wrongly celebrating her passing. They are not celebrating the passing of "an infirm old lady". People are marking the death of someone they see as evil, destructive, divisive and cold. I wonder where all this morality was when Hugo Chavez died a few weeks ago and the right wing UK press labelled the 58 year old cancer victim and 4 times democratically elected Venezuelan President an evil tyrant and dictator.

The platitudes that have gone unchallenged on BBC and Sky News are alot more sickening than anyone raising a glass to celebrate her death. Gone but unfortunately never forgotten.

theraven1979 wrote:"From Billy Bragg, Calgary, AB, Canada, on the death of Margaret Thatcher:

This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society.

Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don't celebrate - organise!"

Obviously, not one of Thatcher's biggest fans but clearly he has a few more brain cells than some. Good points there.

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Perhaps you're the new Billy Bragg? The one thing I do agree with was that the BBC's coverage was incredibly one-sided. Surprised they got away with that.

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unbroken69 wrote:"I woke up in the tour bus and booted up the computer, there in front of me "Thatcher Dead". I already had 11 e-mails asking me to comment on her. Even in death she can still ruin my day off" Billy Bragg yesterday.

Thatcher's death is nothing to celebrate, had her policies died with her then yes, although Liberal Democrat voting Billy Bragg is being rather naive here. Ordinary people without voices still have memories and have more "brain cells" than you give them credit for Jim will be rightly or wrongly celebrating her passing. They are not celebrating the passing of "an infirm old lady". People are marking the death of someone they see as evil, destructive, divisive and cold. I wonder where all this morality was when Hugo Chavez died a few weeks ago and the right wing UK press labelled the 58 year old cancer victim and 4 times democratically elected Venezuelan President an evil tyrant and dictator.

The platitudes that have gone unchallenged on BBC and Sky News are alot more sickening than anyone raising a glass to celebrate her death. Gone but unfortunately never forgotten.

theraven1979 wrote:"From Billy Bragg, Calgary, AB, Canada, on the death of Margaret Thatcher:

This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society.

Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don't celebrate - organise!"

Obviously, not one of Thatcher's biggest fans but clearly he has a few more brain cells than some. Good points there.

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Whatever anyone may personally think of her political actions.Margaret Thatcher was possibly the most significant post war prime minister.Obviously she divided opinion,but having street parties celebrating her death (Brixton) and others Is just sick IMHO.She was a "Giant" of politics.
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theraven1979 wrote:Perhaps you're the new Billy Bragg? The one thing I do agree with was that the BBC's coverage was incredibly one-sided. Surprised they got away with that.

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"Thanks to everybody who took the time to post abusive comments about me here today. I'm going to leave them all up as reminder of the kind of people who support Margaret Thatcher and her spiteful party." - Billy Bragg addressing the abusive supporters of Thatcher who have trolled him and posted death threats on his facebook page.
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It's rumoured that there's to be a minutes silence before the Scottish Cup Semi-Finals this weekend.
That could be construed as inciting a public order offence??? All Live on the telly.

If people want to mourn for her that's fine by me, just do it privately and don't try to make a public spectacle of it :smt022 . Or expect me to join in :smt013
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Glad to see Manchester United refuse to have a minutes silence at the Manchester derby last night. Having a minutes silence for her is just asking for trouble and why should people be asked to respect it.
Toiler On The Sea wrote:It's rumoured that there's to be a minutes silence before the Scottish Cup Semi-Finals this weekend.
That could be construed as inciting a public order offence??? All Live on the telly.

If people want to mourn for her that's fine by me, just do it privately and don't try to make a public spectacle of it :smt022 . Or expect me to join in :smt013
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Greatkudu wrote:Whatever anyone may personally think of her political actions.Margaret Thatcher was possibly the most significant post war prime minister.Obviously she divided opinion,but having street parties celebrating her death (Brixton) and others Is just sick IMHO.She was a "Giant" of politics.
Maybe if you had seen some of your family including kids come home bleeding and hurt from the met police just hitting out at anyone and laughing as they did it ( and they wounder why no one had any faith in the police ever since) or had family members and friends put on the dole as the town there factory was in was a labour stronghold you might see the bitch in a different light , I never had a party as such but had a few drinks with friends .
But if you or your family were one of the few you did well from her time I can understand that you wouldn't care less for those that still to this day suffer from her polices .
Maybe you think it was fair that she blamed the fans for the Hillsborough disaster and in no way the fault of the policeman in charge ?
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Greatkudu wrote:Whatever anyone may personally think of her political actions.Margaret Thatcher was possibly the most significant post war prime minister.Obviously she divided opinion,but having street parties celebrating her death (Brixton) and others Is just sick IMHO.She was a "Giant" of politics.
Greatkandu have a listen to Frankie Boyle's suggestion .............http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmomV-ax-s
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People develop political views that are capitalist or socialist and the differences are too fundamental to ever be reconciled. But there should always be at least respect for the opposing view.
Maggie was a proud Briton who did what she thought was right and defended her (our) country both politically and militarily. I think she always showed a respect for her opponents which is not being shown to her memory now that she has died.
For people to rejoice and party at her passing (no matter how you justify it with personal anecdotes about life's injustices attributed to one person) is just plain wrong. Especially so when the people celebrating claim to have a philosophy more caring and humanitarian than their detested enemy,
I doubt Margaret Thatcher would have been perturbed.
She was a warrior.
Rest in Peace, I say.
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kjblack wrote:People develop political views that are capitalist or socialist and the differences are too fundamental to ever be reconciled. But there should always be at least respect for the opposing view.
Maggie was a proud Briton who did what she thought was right and defended her (our) country both politically and militarily. I think she always showed a respect for her opponents which is not being shown to her memory now that she has died.
For people to rejoice and party at her passing (no matter how you justify it with personal anecdotes about life's injustices attributed to one person) is just plain wrong. Especially so when the people celebrating claim to have a philosophy more caring and humanitarian than their detested enemy,
I doubt Margaret Thatcher would have been perturbed.
She was a warrior.
Rest in Peace, I say.
tell that to the families of those that died at Hillsbourgh that even knowing that it was the fault of the police she lied to there faces and tried to blame the fans :smt013 what a lovely women .
She also supported brutal regimes ie Pinochet .
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BikerinBlack wrote:
kjblack wrote:People develop political views that are capitalist or socialist and the differences are too fundamental to ever be reconciled. But there should always be at least respect for the opposing view.
Maggie was a proud Briton who did what she thought was right and defended her (our) country both politically and militarily. I think she always showed a respect for her opponents which is not being shown to her memory now that she has died.
For people to rejoice and party at her passing (no matter how you justify it with personal anecdotes about life's injustices attributed to one person) is just plain wrong. Especially so when the people celebrating claim to have a philosophy more caring and humanitarian than their detested enemy,
I doubt Margaret Thatcher would have been perturbed.
She was a warrior.
Rest in Peace, I say.
tell that to the families of those that died at Hillsbourgh that even knowing that it was the fault of the police she lied to there faces and tried to blame the fans :smt013 what a lovely women .
She also supported brutal regimes ie Pinochet .
'Didn't know she was responsible for Hillsbourgh too. Do you think she had anything to do with Hugh leaving the Stranglers in 1990 ?
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