B&W Vs The Raven - Production/mix

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B&W Vs The Raven - Production/mix

B&W
29
42%
The Raven
40
58%
 
Total votes: 69

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Post by theraven1979 »

Seems to have cropped up in topic recently so into the booths people!


Which one has the best production or mix in your opinion.

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Post by strangled87 »

i've heard some of the tracks off the raven and it seems incredible, but since i havent actually heard the whole album i went with b&w.
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As I put in my post The Raven is quite simply superb.

I don't think theres anything that could be done to make it any better...
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Just to reply to gizzards post, I would like to hear a different mix of the raven. To say it cannot be bettered is a futile attempt to say the possible is impossible. It is a very tasty specimen. Lets replicate the J.E. theory(yes him again!) Re-record , as J.E. would have liked to have done to I.T.N. Different approach, and angle, but with the same arrangements. Let Baz do the biz, then let them consider a reworking/mixing of the Meninblack as their next project.......with full strings and orchestration :booze: :booze:
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GRIFF wrote:Just to reply to gizzards post, I would like to hear a different mix of the raven. To say it cannot be bettered is a futile attempt to say the possible is impossible. It is a very tasty specimen. Lets replicate the J.E. theory(yes him again!) Re-record , as J.E. would have liked to have done to I.T.N. Different approach, and angle, but with the same arrangements. Let Baz do the biz, then let them consider a reworking/mixing of the Meninblack as their next project.......with full strings and orchestration :booze: :booze:
Nah sorry Griff!

Leave it just as it is....
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I'd like to have Aural Sculpture and Dreamtime rerecorded really but then again why would they? It would be a waste of time and money, better try and come up with some great new stuff!
As for the poll: I don't really prefer one or the other, both sound really good and for me the whole sound really fits the songs on both albums.
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GRIFF wrote:Just to reply to gizzards post, I would like to hear a different mix of the raven. To say it cannot be bettered is a futile attempt to say the possible is impossible. It is a very tasty specimen. Lets replicate the J.E. theory(yes him again!) Re-record , as J.E. would have liked to have done to I.T.N. Different approach, and angle, but with the same arrangements. Let Baz do the biz, then let them consider a reworking/mixing of the Meninblack as their next project.......with full strings and orchestration :booze: :booze:

Sacrilege. Wash your keyboard out, Griff, and say 'Hail MiB' twenty times to free yourself from sin. Repent, I say repent.

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I would have liked them both. :-) :-)
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Post by shah »

Though the Raven is the ultimate lp, I feel that Black and White is crisper.

The sound on Nice and Sleazy is so clean and immediate.
The Raven sounds a little muddy in places. I feel that it could be remixed to be brighter. Longships sounds the best to me.
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Post by spaceace »

I love B+W but you can't compare it to the Raven for production really, the Raven stands on it's own in that field, I don't think they bettered it as a body of work. :wink:
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Post by Sancho Panza »

I voted for The Raven but it's just becuase I like the album slightly better.
I think both albums have the appropriate production, B&W has a stark, warts and all, "playing in your front room" kind of quality (demonstrated by JJ's bunged up/flu affected vocal on Threatened, "this is how it is, like it or lump it"). This form suits the material down to the ground.

The Raven should be left alone and never tampered with, even adding extra tracks on the end of reissue cd's spoils it.
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Black & White every time. While The Raven is the more interesting album in its experimentalism (is that a word??), I think B&W has the edge over it with better songs, great production, a menacing edge (that they never managed to replicate after), in other words, a band at its peak. Can't be a coincidence that the B&W material sounds better than ever in their live outings these days.
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