Best Of The "Baz"-Era Albums

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Best Baz Warne-era Stranglers album

Norfolk Coast
26
42%
Suite XVI
21
34%
Giants
15
24%
 
Total votes: 62

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Best Of The "Baz"-Era Albums

Post by StanInBlack » 11 Jun 2013, 00:45

Again, this should be interesting...

So, best Stranglers studio album that Baz Warne has been involved in (i.e. the post-Coup De Grace "resurgence" albums), whether just as a guitarist (as on Norfolk Coast), or taking over the vocal duties after Paul left (Suite XVI/Giants). I think this poll will be interesting, because unlike the MKII albums which seem to divide a lot of people very strongly, the MKIII/MKIV albums seem to have a fair amount of supporters each.

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Re: Best Of The "Baz"-Era Albums

Post by Josh » 11 Jun 2013, 00:49

Norfolk Coast.
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Post by Jon the Impaler » 11 Jun 2013, 05:57

Close between the first two for me . The last one isn't even close .
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Post by parasiteinblack » 11 Jun 2013, 07:51

Norfolk Coast, then Suite, then Giants I reckon.
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Post by evonx » 11 Jun 2013, 10:57

1 Norfolk Coast - best by far, great come back album, good vocals!, only 2 songs that are filler imho

2 Giants - not brilliant but a couple of great JJ songs and a bit adventurous at times

3 Suite XIV - although Relentless is perhaps the best song on these 3 albums there is too much filler here that doesnt really interest me (Barbara, Soldiers Diary, See Me Coming, Bless You) that to me this is the weaket of the three.
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Post by StanInBlack » 11 Jun 2013, 11:43

'Bless You' isn't filler in my opinion! I love the way it switches between sections and the guitar work throughout, that little Dave keyboard bit in the middle. I love 'Barbara' too... has not one, but two choruses that song, and a memorable middle eight! The only song on Suite XVI I consider to be filler is 'See Me Coming', and that's because it actually was! :lol:

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Post by Josh » 11 Jun 2013, 13:08

Bless You is complete tripe, and Barbara is average at best - Suite is the weakest of those three albums by a good distance imo. The songs on Suite were written for Paul, and it shows, as both Baz and JJ are unconvincing vocally. I'd love to hear the demos with Paul singing, as I'm sure it would be a definite improvement. On saying that, Unbroken, Relentless and Summat Outanowt are good songs.

Giants has its faults, but I feel at least its the first proper MKIV album. The vocals sound more natural from Baz and JJ, and there are a couple of classics in both Freedom Is Insane and Time Was Once On My Side (I don't subscribe to that view on Relentless, a good song, yes, but not a great one imo). The only tracks I don't like are Adios, Camden and 15 Steps - so overall, a decent album, not a great one, but a much stronger body of work than Suite.

Norfolk Coast is a fantastic album, by far the best of the three. The title track is as good a Stranglers song as any, Big Thing Coming and Mine all Mine aren't far behind. The only poor tracks for me are Dutch Moon and Tuckers. Paul's delivery is very strong, and as much as the album is perhaps a bit of a retread, it's done superbly.
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Post by StanInBlack » 11 Jun 2013, 14:50

Predictably, I disagree with literally everything you've said about Giants being superior to Suite XVI. But hey, horses for courses! :lol:

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Post by Bear Cage » 11 Jun 2013, 15:17

I think they've gone from Strength to Strength with the last four albums, each slightly better than its predecessor (with the improvement evident pre Baz, CDG is (IMO) the best PR/JE Stranglers album). So it's:
  • 1. Giants
    2. Suite 16
    3. Norfolk Coast
although they're all pretty close IMO.
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Re: Best Of The "Baz"-Era Albums

Post by Alexinblack » 11 Jun 2013, 15:43

I went for Norfolk Coast, however the last three albums are better than WIR and CDC. There are some songs on Suite 16 which I'm not too fussed on Bless You and Barbara been the main too, I dont mind I hate you, however there are some great songs on the album Relentless, Spectre of Love. Similar to Giants some songs like Adios, my fickle resolve not that keen on but Freedom is Insane is a great track.

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Re: Best Of The "Baz"-Era Albums

Post by Jon the Impaler » 11 Jun 2013, 16:06

As I said - its Norfolk or Suite for me , Norfolk today . Suite though IMO has by far the best single song since Hugh went AWOL ( Relentless ) and I think Spectre was a good choice as single - though usual results followed there :lol: . I wouldn't totally dismiss Giants , in the same way as I don't dismiss WIR these days , Freedom is a decent song and there are a couple of other listenable one's there , however the strength in depth lies in the first two both of which are consistently good all the way through . NC being very consistent and at least 7 fine songs , while suite also is very good ,I'd say slightly more consistent throughout but not quite as many real high's - I've always considered them on par with each other and its a difficult pick . I've always felt since release there is more filler on Giants than stuff of substance - but like said elsewhere by someone - horses for courses . Hopefully Baz' 4th effort isn't too far away as a Strangler. Will there be a 5th though - doubtful , time isn't on their side :smt010 .
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Re: Best Of The "Baz"-Era Albums

Post by StanInBlack » 11 Jun 2013, 17:00

The best songs on Giants don't even hold a candle to the average ones on Coast or Suite, IMO... I see it as a massive mis-step on the quality front. It's not even interesting in the same way that WIR or CDG could be considered interesting either.

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