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I don't think I'm being racist when I agree with Jon about the guy in UB40 who clearly has a broad Birmingham accent when he talks, and suddenly adopts a broad Jamaican one when he sings. And - shock horror - much as I enjoyed their other stuff, you can add the guy from Ruts DC into that as well - south London or thereabouts accent when talking, suddenly from Jamaica when doing their reggae stuff. I just pictured one of them walking into a bar in Kingston (Jamaica, not Surrey) and putting that accent on to order a beer, I suspect it would be like the scene in that Eddie Murphy film where he takes Jackie Chan to his local bar.

I've never sung, though, maybe singing that kind of music brings it on subconsciously, like singing opera often removes a regional accent. When you hear a covers band in the pub, is the vocalist trying to do an impersonation of each singer when they do a song, or is it just how it comes out?

I'm struggling to keep up with the vast array of genres now, I find I couldn't actually say whether I like "Rap" or not because I don't really know what it is. I listen to R1 quite a lot while I'm working in the shed during the day (so none of the "specialist" programmes) and sometimes there'll be a rap-style song that I don't like, and sometimes there'll be one that I do like. I'm getting at least as fed up with mournful blokes on acoustic guitars, and girls doing slow breathy cover versions with pianos as I am with "rap", whatever that is.
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careful....you may be accused of being racist for not liking UB40

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droopsnoot wrote:
11 May 2017, 10:54
I don't think I'm being racist when I agree with Jon about the guy in UB40 who clearly has a broad Birmingham accent when he talks, and suddenly adopts a broad Jamaican one when he sings. And - shock horror - much as I enjoyed their other stuff, you can add the guy from Ruts DC into that as well - south London or thereabouts accent when talking, suddenly from Jamaica when doing their reggae stuff. I just pictured one of them walking into a bar in Kingston (Jamaica, not Surrey) and putting that accent on to order a beer, I suspect it would be like the scene in that Eddie Murphy film where he takes Jackie Chan to his local bar.

I've never sung, though, maybe singing that kind of music brings it on subconsciously, like singing opera often removes a regional accent. When you hear a covers band in the pub, is the vocalist trying to do an impersonation of each singer when they do a song, or is it just how it comes out?

I'm struggling to keep up with the vast array of genres now, I find I couldn't actually say whether I like "Rap" or not because I don't really know what it is. I listen to R1 quite a lot while I'm working in the shed during the day (so none of the "specialist" programmes) and sometimes there'll be a rap-style song that I don't like, and sometimes there'll be one that I do like. I'm getting at least as fed up with mournful blokes on acoustic guitars, and girls doing slow breathy cover versions with pianos as I am with "rap", whatever that is.
Your post really boils down to "I don't understand why people feel the need to put on a mannered voice, why can't they sing how they would naturally sound?" which basically takes in the whole world of music, and I understand where you're coming from. For example, Bryan Ferry from Roxy Music definitely went out of his way to sing the way he does, I can't imagine that singing style was natural to him at first. David Sylvian from Japan, too. Also, the number of Scottish singers that don't sing in a Scottish accent and the number of UK singers that sing with an American accent... I guess in UB40's case it could be construed as being a mild form of cultural appropriation, but you'd have to ask some Jamaicans how they felt about that.

I don't think you were being racist at all because I gleaned from your post that what you were saying about UB40 was a small part of/an example in a wider argument.

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Hughs singing changed a lot too. It was quite shouty during the punk period and then quite croony during the later years. You could argue that he was putting on a accent/attitude during the punk years ?

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Whilst not a fan of rap music, 'White Lines (don't do it)' will always be a classic track for me.
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droopsnoot wrote:
11 May 2017, 10:54
...girls doing slow breathy cover versions with pianos...
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A date for everyones diary.
http://boombapfestival.co.uk/
Featuring some 'Grime heavyweights'

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Hammer wrote:
19 May 2017, 09:22
Whilst not a fan of rap music, 'White Lines (don't do it)' will always be a classic track for me.

Couldn't agree more, im no fan of rap, but this was a classic.

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mickinblack wrote:
Hammer wrote:
19 May 2017, 09:22
Whilst not a fan of rap music, 'White Lines (don't do it)' will always be a classic track for me.

Couldn't agree more, im no fan of rap, but this was a classic.
It was grandmaster flash wasn't it ?

A bit too commercial for me Image

I preferred The Message. Now that was a classic..


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They should get Cillit Bang to sponsor it

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A date for everyones diary.
http://boombapfestival.co.uk/
Featuring some 'Grime heavyweights'
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StanInBlack wrote:
MULLY wrote:
09 May 2017, 12:49
Ah, the ageing process, where people turn into their parents - with cries off "That ain't bloody music... why don't they play some proper tunes..etc"

Personally, I quite like a bit of old school NWA, Ice-T, fuck even some Cyprus Hill pounding away. A killer sample with some killer rhymes - express yourself!! Take another hit from the bong and chillax people

With all things - I might not particularly subscribe to being a fan of the genre, but I can spot a toon - listen and like without stating it is all crap (with a silent C LOL).

Same as heavy metal (or even jazz) - wouldn't say I'm a fan, but again there are some killer tracks from both genres.

S'pose it's all about personal tastes at the end of the day - no-one is right or wrong!!

Although i do tend to be right moreoften than not :) LOL
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jason wrote:Hughs singing changed a lot too. It was quite shouty during the punk period and then quite croony during the later years. You could argue that he was putting on a accent/attitude during the punk years ?
Hugh's use of the glottal stop and general Larndon accent in the early days has a whiff of affectation about it. But the worst offender by some margin was chairman Joe of the Clash. You don't go to a Swiss finishing school like he did and pronounce garage "garidge".


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